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  • Fan Blower Acting Erratically - Thermostat Reponsible?

    I posted about this problem a couple of weeks ago and received some welcome advice. Now, I suspect that I know what the source of the problem is, but I am hoping that someone here can confirm it or else point me in the right direction.

    The problem is that our indoor fan blower (York furnace, installed in 2006) has had a habit of coming on at times when it is not supposed to. This happens most often between 9:00 A.M. and noon, and between 8:00 P.M. and 10:00 P.M. Sometimes, it will come on only once on any given day, and sometimes it will come on two or three times. When it does come on, it stays on for anywhere from three to fifteen minutes and then shuts off on its own. Otherwise, the heater functions normally. Usually, this happens a fair amount of time after the heater has been on, and so the problem is not that the furnace is overheating (the system has been tested for overheating as well, so we know that’s not the problem). Our HVAC serviceman, who appears to have given up on pursuing this problem further and has stopped returning my e-mails, has already - in the course of investigating this problem - replaced the circuit board and the gas valve, so both of those parts are new.

    Now, in response to an earlier post I made here, it was suggested that I disconnect the thermostat entirely to see what happens. So, on two separate days, I disconnected the thermostat entirely for most of the day but left the power to the furnace turned on. On both days, the fan did NOT come on at all when the thermostat was disconnected. After reconnecting it each time, the fan problem resumed the following morning.

    So, would it be safe and accurate to assume that the thermostat is the problem? It has been suggested even before I tried disconnecting it that I try replacing it anyways just to see what would happen, but, after already paying $800 for the circuit board and gas valve replacements, I would like to replace the thermostat only if it seems very likely that it is the source of the problem. It seems logical to me that, if the problem does not occur with the thermostat disconnected, then the thermostat is likely the problem. If the problem is up in the furnace area, then disconnecting the thermostat should do nothing to alter the fan’s behavior, right? I’m not an expert, though, and I am interested in knowing if the conclusion I am drawing is likely the right one or not.

    Thanks so much in advance for any insight.

  • #2
    thermostat

    I can follow your line of reasoning and the system is normal with the stat disconnected but the problem resumes with the stat back in the system.
    I've always believed in hard wired logic systems where electrical - mechanical things take place.
    but in this day and age you now have solid state and integrated circuits.
    I would look towards the programming of the stat. it seems that the fan is coming on at two distinct times. the stat is running the fan, not a fan energize device i.e. a plenum switch or a door interlock.
    your replacing of the gas valve -- what did this have to do with the fan?
    I'm hoping your wiring at the furnace is ok, wires haven't been swapped.
    I kinda wish Paul who used to do helps in here was around. He's the furnace guru.

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    • #3
      Thanks for the help

      First, HayZee518, thank you very much for your response.

      The circuit board and the gas valve were replaced because, while researching this fan issue, it was discovered that both were showing error codes and performance issues thanks to some water that had dribbled onto those parts during the running of the A/C. Apparently, a number of houses in this Lennar development have had some problems with clogged or misconfigured water lines, with circuitry problems as a result. The HVAC repair specialist figured that this might be causing the fan issue, if the gas valve was mistakenly sending a signal that a flame was on and gas present, which would normally cause the blower to turn on. However, while that did resolve a problem that we had earlier (the heater not coming on at times when it should have), it did not fix the fan issue.

      The thermostat is programmable, but we have thoroughly checked, erased, and redone all programming in it. The fact that the problem tends to occur during certain periods of the day (even if not the exact same time) is one piece of circumstantial evidence that has led me to suspect a thermostat malfunction. Moreover, though this doesn't always happen and hence may merely be random chance, I have noticed at times that, when the fan comes on, it is at the top or bottom of the hour. Now, any program would cause either the heat or A/C to come on at a specified time - not the fan by itself - and so I have suspected that something in the thermostat circuitry might be faulty. It is a Simple Comfort 3000 thermostat that was supplied by the builder, so it's probably not a top-of-the-line model. The fact that it sometimes comes on just once, but sometimes two or three times in quick succession, leads me to believe that this isn't simply a "hidden program" in the thermostat, but, rather, something more fundamentally wrong with it.

      If I do go through with replacing the thermostat, which could possibly be the right thing to do, I'm going to opt for one that is not programmable. In any case, I hoped through this experiment of disconnecting the thermostat to rule out the plenum switch as the culprit. As far as crossed wires at the furnace itself, would that not cause the problem even with the stat disconnected? And would that also not cause problems that are more regular and predictable, in line with whatever improper circuit is closed as a result of the miswiring? The inconsistency of the problem has also led me to consider the stat the most likely culprit.

      Again, thanks for any insight you can provide.

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      • #4
        wiring

        everything seems to point to the thermostat. ask around your neighborhood - people with a similar stat and furnace.
        the control circuit of your furnace is 24 volts a.c. - the thermostat wiring is more than likely an 18 or 16 gauge multi conductor wire.

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        • #5
          Sounds like it might be worthwhile to invest in a new thermostat, then. Thanks for the help.

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          • #6
            heres the answer

            Pull the wires off the thermostat.

            If the problem goes away, then the problem is in the thermostat.

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