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The water level in my toilet, the water in the actual bowel, is very low. I think that as a result of that my toilet doesn't have a lot of force when flushing. I cleaned the holes around the upper rim of the toilet too. Does anyone have any suggestions or know what I can do to remedy this problem.
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Have a look at the water level in the tank, it should be approx 1/8-1/4" below the top of the vertical tube. Post back with info. Hube -
The water level is about 1/4" below the tube in the vertical tube in the tank.Comment
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There should be a small, maybe 1/4" diameter tube going from the top of the float mechanism to that overflow tube. There should be a solid stream coming from that tube to fill the bowl to proper level. If there's no stream, then most probably the tube is clogged. Remove it and skewer a coat hanger wire through it. To check that water is in fact coming out of that orifice to begin with, just depress the float ball untill water starts running. You should get a good squirt. If you do, then reconnect your tube and make sure that it's clipped to the side of the overflow so it pours down into it. Let us know if that works out....Comment
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Thanks, when I looked for the small tube that you were describing I noticed that it was even going to the overflow tube, it was just hanging off to the side filling the reservoir. As you can tell I don't know much about toilet's or plumbing but once I put it back into the overflow tube everything worked like a charm. Thank you for your help.
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Well! Too bad all our problems can't be fixed that cheap!! Glad it was easy, and thanks for telling us.Comment
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The actual level of water in the bowl has little to no effect on the force of the flush. The force of flow during the flush is determined by the volume of water released from the tank by the flush valve.
You have already cleaned the water inlet holes in the bowl so it is now time to check the tank mecanisms. Lift the lid and look at the water level, is it up to the manufacturers rated water level index printed on the inside of the tank? If not, adjust the water fill valve to raise the level. (Most water fill valves with a ball float have a set screw on the top of the valve to adjust the level, or you can slightly bend the arm from the valve to the float ball.) On the side of the water fill valve you will see a small plastic line about 1/4 inch in diameter that runs from the fill valve to the top of the standpipe in the middle of the tank. That is the trap primer line, and its purpose is to add a bit of water to the bowl during the fill cycle to refill the trap in the bowl. If the fill valve will not adjust, or if it seems to take a long time to fill the bowl you might consider replacing it. I would recommend using one of the universal type such as the Fluidmaster Water fill kit. (They can be found in any hardware or home supply store for $8 to $10 and are very easy to install, usually less than ten minutes.
If the water level is correct and the flush is still sluggish examine the flush valve ( a rubber ball flapper at the base of the standpipe, It will have a chain attached which is connected to the flush handle. If the rubber seems soft and gummy, or if it doesn't stand upright when the flush handle is depressed simply replace the flapper, another extremely inexpensive and simple installation. There are basically two methods of mounting the flapper ball. one style uses a rubber ring which slips over the standpipe tube and the other style has to two mounting rings which slip over little ears on the base of the fill tube, If in doubt you can buy a replacement that has both types of mounts for about $4. If you then have the one that slips over the tube, simply slip it on but if yours has the ear mount you simply cut the ring out and use the two rubber mounint holes.
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quote:Originally posted by lilcary
The water level in my toilet, the water in the actual bowel, is very low. I think that as a result of that my toilet doesn't have a lot of force when flushing. I cleaned the holes around the upper rim of the toilet too. Does anyone have any suggestions or know what I can do to remedy this problem.Comment
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I agree with you on all counts except this one and respectfully disagree. Manufactures design the flush with regards to the volume in the tank and bowl as well. The water in the bowl or (seal level) must be up to par or a sluggish flush is inevitable. Just my two cents.quote:Originally posted by LazyPup
The actual level of water in the bowl has little to no effect on the force of the flush.
[OT] Once I figure out how to post images, my explanations will make more sense.
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quote:Originally posted by Hawk
I agree with you on all counts except this one and respectfully disagree. Manufactures design the flush with regards to the volume in the tank and bowl as well. The water in the bowl or (seal level) must be up to par or a sluggish flush is inevitable. Just my two cents.quote:Originally posted by LazyPup
The actual level of water in the bowl has little to no effect on the force of the flush.
[OT] Once I figure out how to post images, my explanations will make more sense.
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quote:Originally posted by Hawk
I agree with you on all counts except this one and respectfully disagree. Manufactures design the flush with regards to the volume in the tank and bowl as well. The water in the bowl or (seal level) must be up to par or a sluggish flush is inevitable. Just my two cents.quote:Originally posted by LazyPup
The actual level of water in the bowl has little to no effect on the force of the flush.
[OT] Once I figure out how to post images, my explanations will make more sense.
While the actual amount of water in the trap is figured into the design flush action, a minor change in water level in the bowl will have very little overall effect on the flushing action. Typically a toilet is designed to use between 1.6 and 3 gallons per flush, whereas when you consider the diameter of the water area in the bowl an inch of variation would only amount to a cup or so of water. In additioni, if the water fill valve and trap primer are working properly it should in fact supply an amount of water equal to or in most cases in excess of the amount required to properly fill the trap, which of course is the purpose of the water in the bowl. The actual force of the flush is determined primarily by the volume of water being discharged from the tank, and the duration of the discharge. In most cases a sluggish flush is a direct result of either a low water level in the tank or a flush valve that is not opening properly and prolonging the duration of the flush.Comment
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I have an article at work explaining the (seal level) and its function. I'll try and find it this week and post. There are specs in the Am/Std Roma and Kohler #84499 retro kits that cover this as well. If we have the kits in stock, I'll sneak one of the ins specs out and scan.
A good example would be the Kohler (San Raphael) or (Realto) models. I do not install the provided diverter due to it's defective design. It does not properly fill the bowl (diverter floats prematurely) above the jet port thus causing a poor flush. If removed, the level in the bowl will seek it's own height (top of the trap) and increase the power of the flush with only 5 or 6 Oz's wasted. Kohler is aware of this problem.
I did find this really cool illustration of toilet bowl mechanics but alas, it doesn't support my statement.
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